Fig for Minman. Blog on how to spend money and get a strange, but cool garbage. (Carefully! Cart!)

This time we will go to an extremely burning topic. In the light of recent events, suddenly, only wealthy boys can afford modern toys on high moods. And even if these very boys were not at all wealthy and were concerned about steep pieces for PC in advance, now they automatically go into the category of wealthy. The annual supply of Doshirak for some fore-permary vidyuhu or CP-this is not. And the anatum is enough for life for a lifetime. Moreover, with such nutrition, it will be extremely short.

You might think that this blog will be devoted to how to correctly choose a game pitch to save, but also not to fail? And here are not a little. It will again be about another tin, but relatively inexpensive. Not for those who have N money and he would like to spend it on a new game PC. And for those who spend less on the PC now, the less cold and hungry nights will be held in the future. Yes, for those scumbags who are not satisfied with the console and there is no money even for the minimum game PC, but the passion as you want to play all the newest, maybe even from Steam.

Naturally, it is proposed to target purely at flea markets. After all, it is stupid to try to “save”, buying out the exorbitant road with a frank junk, which is a normal person before the crisis and would not touch it without much need. And at the flea markets you can meet a bunch of all interesting. And even suggestions like: “PC I7 3770K/GTX 780Ti/16 GB RAM. Not bit, not painted. Grandfather used – I watched the weather twice a week, but went into classmates. I will give for 15 thousand.»Divorce is not necessary, although … well, you understand. But you have to clarify something.

Yes, the used market can deceive. However, relying on my many years of experience, I can say that the scammers are rare, especially among those who sell obsolete iron. Often, these are just people who want to get rid of rubbish for a pretty penny. And in general, do not click with a beak, then everything will be in order.

Yes, in the used market you can run into iron with problems. However, in the light of the latest trends, new iron from the store, especially the “budget” (shit), can also have the same problems. Agree with the seller about Manibek, use trading platforms with insurance, go to stores trading b / y pieces with a guarantee finally. In general, you can live, you just have to be a little more attentive and reasonable. Well, also do not “click”, in general.

And finally, the most delicious – pricing. Since a lot of old iron is simply inaccessible to the new one of the store, those idiotic, the prices taken from the ceiling do not always affect the used irons and. And there is another important point. Buying one thing, it may be so that there will be no advantageous offers. However, to take used at a very high price, without a strong need, you are unlikely to be. That is, if you purchase something and decide, then this is most likely a certain average market price, unless of course you specifically set yourself the task, at all costs to find what you need, for Minhman. But buying a bunch of ironings at a time, your chances to find any position from the list at a very reduced price increase noticeably. That is, you have a real chance to spend a noticeably below the calculated amount.

And now a little actually about the proposed option.
There is such a Socket 775. The thing is known. I would even say the legendary. You can talk about him a lot and for a long time. But in general terms:
– All these I3 | i5 | i7 were born thanks to him.
– Starting with Pentium E and the P965 chipset, the processors of this family are chasing easily, far and not hot. Without demanding a cool premium motherboard for this. No indexes “K” and “Z” chipsets. Personal record – 3.2 GHZ on E2180 and ASUS P5B. And this is still without raising a crust and on a boxing cooler!
– The last “quads” still pull modern toys well. In the drain on performance, stepping on the heels of the younger i3 of the second and third generation.
– Acceleration on the tire is very effective.
– now found a way to overshadow Xeon C 771 sockets in 775.

Here in about this direction we will dig.

Normal mother on S775. It is extremely desirable on the P35 chipset or fresh. It is extremely desirable, from a normal manufacturer – ASUS, GIGABYTE, MSI. No cheap Asrock, Intel and other slag. Be a god of God! Look at the power chains and radiators on bridges – the more, the cooler. And just on the Internet information about the possibilities of acceleration on a particular model – full. There are still many suitable options. Where there are even new ones in stores.

Guided by these simple rules, you can easily pick up a matrix of bucks for 25-30. It is better to buy at local flea markets, because at all well-known sites, due to the fragility and dimensions of the goods, it comes out more expensive.

There is another nuance, a modified BIOS with stitched microcodes on Xeon 771 must exist on your motherboard. They are for almost all of these motherboards, but the fact of the matter is that “almost”. You can just find out googling: “#mb Name # 771 Microcodes”. Or something like that. You can even make the firmware yourself. Fortunately, this is not difficult and there are instructions on the Internet.

CP (Caild Pierron)

Among the Xeon’s we need, there is a division into “l”, “e” and “x”. (Almost in honor of the series)
L is the coldest, but the frequency is small.
E is the most normal option. Middle peasants. Moderately hot and fast.
X – if “XTREME”, then only by temperature. Just older models, not at all faster than the “e” series, but much hotter, but cheaper.

Incomplete list of four -haired people on S771 from Aunt Vika. Particularly warms the soul price

Well, almost a legend among all this is E5450. 3GHZ, four full -fledged nuclei, good accelerated potential and in just 30 bucks. One of the coolest protruds in terms of price/performance ratio. However, I propose to pay attention to E5440. 200 mhz is slower (and a multiple by 0.5 less), but also 7 bucks cheaper. Moreover, such a difference is easily leveled and not at all the fact that the E5440 will be worse. This difference fits into the error between the acceleration potential of different specimens (not models).

You can also consider E5472 \ E5462, but this is if your motherboard can in a 1600MHz bus. And this can negatively affect the acceleration.

To buy, of course, directly from the Chinese.

You can look for local flea markets, but the Chinese are cheaper. Moreover, noname memory (although, our brothers smaller, let something come to love, from well-known brands) work quite normally. And even if she is bad with acceleration, all this is very fuse is corrected by the divider.
DDR2 for the Chinese will cost somewhere in 11-12 bucks for 2 GB (be careful, there is a cheaper memory marked “For AMD”. No matter how strange it is, it really works only with AMD, and even then not with everyone).
DDR3 for the Chinese is more expensive. Look for local flea markets. And in general – it is better not to. DDR3 work on S775 has a bunch of nuances. Look for your mother with the good old DDR2 and you will sleep calmer.
Yes, it is better to dial memory on 6 Gb. 4 is already objectively not enough, and 8 contradicts the philosophy of hardcore economy.

Coler. (from the word “cool” – cool)

Buy the cooler for personal reasons. It is quite realistic to snatch some Titan bucks for five at five, with a normal mount (this is important, standard Intel’s latches-Satan invention, take only in the most extreme case). 4 GHZ cannot be squeezed out with this, still four -haired, these are not bilingual kids, these are already quite hot things. However, from the flow of Megaigers, it will be possible to rise by 500. Which is already not bad.

And on this, in fact, and all. No more features are more. Vidyuha, she is in Africa Vidyuha. On the ancient 8800GT in the last witcher you can’t play comfortably. Screws and PSU are also noteworthy. Frame? Which case? We save. If you want, take it, but the hatsers prefer guro and turn on the PC with a screwdriver. However, let’s go a little, to complete the picture.

With vidyuhas full seams. For a truly game PC you need something like GTX 750/R7 260x. And this is another minimum. This can be taken for 70-80 bucks if you are very lucky. Of course, you can find vidyuhi similar in performance or even better, and even cheaper, from earlier lines. But … the older series are noticeably hot that cannot positively affect their life expectancy. The six hundredth series in the person of the GTX 660 is more expensive, and 650Ti is still noticeably worse than GTX 750. In general, the dilemma is still. However, the proposals of darkness and finding a compromise is not such a problem.

Buying used is very risky. The thing is quite fragile. If the seller gives a guarantee or time for verification – good. If not, you risk. If you are a very risky guy, you can buy on the Internet with delivery by mail. But with such a mood, you don’t have to buy a Pc, but go to the casino. With volume everything is individual. Want a couple of terabyt? And nafiga? For games, one is enough and even half. Well, perhaps the filmography of Gina Gerson needs to be placed somewhere (as part of import substitution, not to watch one sashka). The perfect option I see a purchase in some local office engaged in the used iron. Well, with a finger in the sky, bucks in 20-40 will cost you HDD. And there is another option with SSD. Bucks for 40-50 can buy a new gigabyte for 120-160. Not enough, and not the best it will be SSD. But you can already live with reliability now they are all right. And that is not the fastest, it is still much faster than any HDD.

BP (there is a decryption on Lurke to https://nogamstop-casinos.co.uk/ love)

Of course, I would like something powerful and with a certificate of 80+, but then everything rests on your personal toad. The chance that the “Ketai” PSU will release from the giblets of your PC a sacred dark spirit of microcircuits is small, but still there is. Well, in general, there are something decent bucks over 20-30. Fortunately, even 450-550W, depending on Vidyuha, is enough for our system.

Frame? Cardboard box for you. And then at will.

+ thermal paste bucks for 5

Total, Pa the coarse calculations-200-260 evergreen. This figure does not mean anything, in view of the randomness of the market used. And, if there are still some kind of “average temperature in the hospital” on large trading online sites, then there are complete trash and sodomy in the field.

But this is all the theory, and what’s in practice?

In practice, in my case there was this:

Mother ASUS P5K VM for 1500r. (Now we will consider in Orthodox rubles, for practical visibility) + half (radiator) of some kind of Foxconn cooler as a gift. The fan was dead.

Microcodes on S771 were found quickly. Actually, the entire BIOS firmware process, along with the search for the most necessary firmware and preparation of flash drives, took about 10 minutes. Like two fingers.

You may have a logical question of how to flash your mother at percent, if this very process is not determined? Yes, BIOS is unlikely to see him as it should, but he will even work like that. There will simply be not enough some instructions.

Pruzhda E5450. – 2400 rub. Well, I did not chase the cheapness. Moreover, I ordered without a glued adapter and cuts. Moreover, fully prepared for installation in S775 percent costs no more than. I just never saw a file before a file. I wanted New Expirence. Therefore, more than +240 rubles for a set of supra.

Left – used E5450 from China. Right – used E8400 from Russia

The whole difference between sockets in the two contacts changed in places (corrected by a special sticker) and the other arrangement of the grooves (sprinkled on the CPU or, which is much simpler and safer, the corresponding plastic ledges are cut off on the socket itself). Be careful when installing! Look at the key (golden triangle)!

After installing a new puzzle, the system not only did not start, but also smells to the fuse. However, taking the processor back, once again carefully examined everything and set it up again, started without further problems.

Memory – 3 dies 1 GB for 600r. Each. Branded (Hunix, Samsung) DDR2 800.
1 Chinese dick on 2 GB for 800r. DDR2 800.
Written by kingston, defined as kingston. Micron chips (which, in principle, is normal for kingston, which do not make their own chips). But the labeling with the head gives out a fake. Even if Kingston does not sculpt his brand on the chips, then the inscriptions are always clear and clear, but everything is lubricated and poorly painted.
However, it has been working for a long time and even chases no worse than the originals.
Unfortunately, the Chinese dick took only one that is insignificant for any statistics. But two, and even three few better. And what should I do with such a bunch of memory with such a bunch?

The second half of the cooler was found among the trash. This is an ordinary 80mm. Harvest fan. I got up like a native and even clicked on the mounts. True, the effectiveness of such an assembly leaves much to be desired. If it is better than a boxing option, then not much. Yes, and these wretched latches. But for free.

HDD also found its own. This is an old IDE-shine WD at 160 GB. A wonderful example of what you can stumble upon a used environment. In the photo you can see two radiators attached to it, as well as a small 100 mm. Coler from above (also your own, free). This is all from the fact that the fee on the screw is terribly warming. Textiles under the radiators even changed the color from green to white. And he is sometimes incorrectly determined, drawing instead of his name some random symbols, meaning a protruded middle finger.

For those who love from above

For those who prefer behind

And the power supply is also personal, but this time everything is strictly the opposite. Yes, he is the most “Ketai”, only 430W (on a piece of paper) without certificates and with the name of the company, which I saw only on this BP for the first and last time. But has been plowing for ten years without any complaints.

The price of these two “unicons” hardly exceeds 1500r. And this is straight if it is strongly impudent.

To a heap, the motherboard sometimes gives out an open building error. At the same time, where she generally saw the case and how can I close the cardboard box with a lid, if pieces of iron stick out from this box, does not report. However, this is easily corrected, I am just too lazy to look for the right jumper and it is not critical for work. Yes, the box itself is free. You can say a gift.

But Vidyuha costs GTX 750 from ASUS. Still under warranty. Fresh and without any problems. And was purchased for only 3350r. It is precisely in such moments that the charm of the used market.

Thermal paste – the famous mx2. It was not taken at all for this PC, also from stocks, but let there be a full prime in 350r.

Total: 10440 and let it be + 2000 per cooler, an additional fan, BP and screw that cost here. With the most modest calculations, it turns out much cheaper than even 200 bucks for a completely efficient, but far from trouble -free game system.

Acceleration showed 3.6 GHZ. Again, I did not touch the diet, limiting myself only. Moreover, I just put 400 mhz on the sample the first time. That is, the percent can be more. But the cooling lifted. Even with such a frequency, under load, the temperature gradually exceeded 60 degrees, which is no longer good.

But there will be no game tests. For there are full of them on the Internet, and such systems are too individual so that you can count on the same result at yourself. But in fact, I’m just too lazy, I don’t play almost anything.

But, in general, even my main PC with Q9500 can at the very least in modern games. What can we say about E5450. Unless, disturbing news about some new Assassin’s Creed go, they say the frequency of DDR2 memory does not affect the game. But who is at all interesting.

However, the most important drawback of this system is obvious – it has nowhere to grow more. Yes, this CPU (under overclocking) can swing the GTX 960 level cards and issue decent FPS in modern games at medium and low settings at FullHD. But he will no longer be enough for something more. And having overpaid 5 thousand 5, you can already take the same i3, which involves extensive opportunities for upgrade. Yes, and the pitfalls are a carriage and a small cart to think about ten times whether the game is worth the candle.

Minecraft

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It is better to play in good old games on your old, kind comprehensive computer, bought in those class years when it had to beg from my mother.

With processors, there are also divorce methods, and such that it is very difficult to determine the “fake” in their hands. The most important protective mechanism here is that few and rarely divorce in this price segment. It’s just not worth it. But you can run into defects, about which even the seller did not know or to find the “natural” death of the piece of iron shortly after the purchase. Otherwise, the head and hands should help determine the thin line between the price and the risk. You can even live with v \ in screws. Yes, it can spill, but in the same two weeks you can check it as soon as possible to minimize risks. Although I myself would not recommend taking such things as PSU and screws from hand.

PS about the problem, this is a typical situation for DDR3 and S775. Kosyakov with this a lot, and the list of supported dies for this motherboard is expected to be short. IMHO, the problem is not in two -channel, but the most compatibility of this particular bar and motherboard. Look at the manufacturer’s website, there should be fixes and firmware for similar problems. It may help.

First, do not forget about PC.
And regarding the article, the impulse is quite noble, but it would be better if you devoted time and finalized it to search for pitfalls. Well, tell how to protect yourself as much as possible from the grades of the video card. And regarding the purchase of xers from the Chinese – this is a natural lottery. Some time ago I bought to play with overclocking them one such processor. And he hardly took 3.7 from me (although their ceiling is about 4). There are many problems encountered on the Internet.
Well, then everything is like that.

The flea market is really a lottery. If you’re lucky, you can snatch very good iron for quite adequate money. A comrade a month ago bought an assembly i5 2500K, 560TI, 6 GB RAM and HDD at 250 GB for only 19K. And this is taking into account the body and the small, but tower cooler.

This is if you find. Such proposals just do not lie on the road, at least for a long time. Also for 5k you can assemble something from the stump or pelerone g + mother and cool. Which is also a more appropriate option and always in stock practically. Let a two -way two -core, but with great prospects and the modern games will pull no worse, in most cases. But here the whole Tsimes is that E5440 + Mother can be taken for 3K, which is much less than 5K in percentage ratio. )

Well, the extremely budget 845th will be more effective than any siarior on 775 sockets and even more effective more efficiently throwing money for gnawing in the form of PG/CG

By the way, a little out of the topic, but I noticed that Gaidov on the assembly of an acceptable computer for small money is a lot. However, guides about how to collect a solid computer for solid money is not enough. Personally, in my opinion, reasoning about how to survive the maximum of ≈ $ 11,000 may be no less interesting.

But here the whole Tsimes is that E5440 + Mother can be taken for 3K, which is much less than 5K in percentage ratio. )

So in words only. Legally, this does not mean anything. Maybe you will agree on Manibek with the seller, but whether he will return the money in case of something, still depends on the honesty of the seller.

Cool, cool. Interesting. But … although he always respected people who were not afraid to take a chance, he would hardly have decided on such experiments. Not so rich, alas.

Kulstori are such kulstori – this is the same GTA V rests on the wretched 2 nuclei of the top pentium g nuclei about two -cores is better not to mention in the context of games

Well, I mean from cheap (let’s say 3-5 thousand, taking into account the van+mother+cooling)
And so, of course, the most interesting with the secondary, it begins at 20k

It turned out well. Something even remembered about the pack of iron that he left for his parents. Try to go through this exciting way yourself.

While I read, I smelled.) The Xeon E5450 has on Foxconn G41 (chipset, suddenly, G41).
Now there are 1 bar for 4GB KingSton. According to passport 1333, 800 is set in the bios, but does not work, but in fact 566. But as often happens, only 3 is seen.3. There is no need to talk about Memory Remap and the restrictions in Windows, everything is right there. I suppose that the memory is drunk to work in a two -channel mode (that is, you need a second bar) to remove the restriction, but finding such a bar is very problematic now. The question itself: does it make sense to look for such a bar, or is the problem hidden in something else?
And about the BU market. It is not particularly scary to take processors in the segment, especially if it is aimed at the intel, the fades are very rare, and physical damage to see is quite simple. But with motherboards, everything is not so simple in my opinion, because you can’t immediately see the problem. For example, I had a fee, which, after a non -fucked blow, began to leave the BGA socket. For some time it was launched, but from the tenth and only if you press it a little. But then the mother was completely dead. And about such simple things as sound or LAN I’m not talking at all, but it’s still easy to check them. The same situation with video cards. You can not immediately notice the overheating of the chip, for example. But as you yourself said, if they give a guarantee and manibek, then it is still easier. Well, he wouldn’t have taken boo at all. Even with a guarantee. If he works for 2 weeks, this does not mean that he will not get away in six months. And this happens how often.

But you can’t take anything for such an amount. Of course, private cases are full and it is not difficult to stumble upon them, but so that some more or less mass version … Well, the already mentioned Celeron or Pentium G of the younger. Worthy of consideration, but this has already been said. You can take the same Core 2 Duo | Quad, and far from top -end. The main question is nafiga? You can look for AMD A4 or FX4 ***. Also an option, but finding them is more difficult and the advantages of them have purely personal (t.e. Not everyone is suitable). It is easy to find Phenom on AM3, but also not that top and expediency is doubtful. There are inexpensive Xeon 1366, but it is difficult for them to find mom. And there is another tin, but it can somehow then. But, here’s actually all. Nothing else comes to mind. From this really deserve attention “fx” and “g”. But then pop -up is known and not particularly interesting.

And I was sitting on FX4300 and R9 270 I thought that I have problems with performance in games 🙂
In general, on the topic, recently on the used market, the sets from the FM2+ and Athlon 860K maternity leaves often come up, somewhere in the region of 5k you can find. Is it no more the best option will be? Previously, it was a very good budget option, but now many still crawl from it towards the Intel and find it quite really on the market 🙂